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		<title>By: Will</title>
		<link>http://www.itsananderson.com/2008/12/plugin-review-my-page-order/#comment-88</link>
		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 06:18:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Andrew,

Thanks for the comment (and for the plugins!).

I looked at the pageMash plugin, but while it does what I was talking about, it also seems less responsive than My Page Order, so definitely don&#039;t let your plugin die yet :)

I&#039;m actually also using My Link Order on the same website and I&#039;m hoping to also do a review of it at some point soon (thanks for the reminder).

I&#039;ve not used My Category Order yet because I&#039;ve not had a need for it, but if I do ever need custom ordering of categories I&#039;ll definitely check it out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Andrew,</p>
<p>Thanks for the comment (and for the plugins!).</p>
<p>I looked at the pageMash plugin, but while it does what I was talking about, it also seems less responsive than My Page Order, so definitely don&#8217;t let your plugin die yet <img src='http://www.itsananderson.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I&#8217;m actually also using My Link Order on the same website and I&#8217;m hoping to also do a review of it at some point soon (thanks for the reminder).</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve not used My Category Order yet because I&#8217;ve not had a need for it, but if I do ever need custom ordering of categories I&#8217;ll definitely check it out.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://www.itsananderson.com/2008/12/plugin-review-my-page-order/#comment-87</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 06:02:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Will, thanks for the review of my plugin. I&#039;ll agree that it would be nice to be able to change the page structure in a nice drag and drop interface, but that wasn&#039;t original intent of the plugin. I released this almost 3 years ago (still &quot;janky&quot;) and all I wanted was an interface to set the order of pages. It started off for WP 1.5 and used up and down arrows to move stuff around so it&#039;s come a long way.

Along the way I had to make compromises like keeping unpublished pages in the list and subpage dropdown. 

There&#039;s actually a patch that has been submitted to the development trunk to allow drag and drop ordering/restructuring on the page list but it hasn&#039;t been incorporated yet. 

I&#039;ll point you towards pageMash, http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/pagemash/, it does the restructuring as well as ordering. I&#039;d be happy to let my plugin die if a better solution like pageMash becomes more popular, but I&#039;ll keep supporting mine as long as people use it.

I&#039;ll plug my 2 other plugins, My Link Order and My Category Order, that provide functionality missing from WP completely. It might be janky, but you can specify an order for pages, the same can&#039;t be done for post categories and links and their categories.

http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/my-link-order/
http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/my-category-order/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Will, thanks for the review of my plugin. I&#8217;ll agree that it would be nice to be able to change the page structure in a nice drag and drop interface, but that wasn&#8217;t original intent of the plugin. I released this almost 3 years ago (still &#8220;janky&#8221;) and all I wanted was an interface to set the order of pages. It started off for WP 1.5 and used up and down arrows to move stuff around so it&#8217;s come a long way.</p>
<p>Along the way I had to make compromises like keeping unpublished pages in the list and subpage dropdown. </p>
<p>There&#8217;s actually a patch that has been submitted to the development trunk to allow drag and drop ordering/restructuring on the page list but it hasn&#8217;t been incorporated yet. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll point you towards pageMash, <a href="http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/pagemash/" rel="nofollow">http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/pagemash/</a>, it does the restructuring as well as ordering. I&#8217;d be happy to let my plugin die if a better solution like pageMash becomes more popular, but I&#8217;ll keep supporting mine as long as people use it.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll plug my 2 other plugins, My Link Order and My Category Order, that provide functionality missing from WP completely. It might be janky, but you can specify an order for pages, the same can&#8217;t be done for post categories and links and their categories.</p>
<p><a href="http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/my-link-order/" rel="nofollow">http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/my-link-order/</a><br />
<a href="http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/my-category-order/" rel="nofollow">http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/my-category-order/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
		<link>http://www.itsananderson.com/2008/12/plugin-review-my-page-order/#comment-73</link>
		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 07:08:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah that&#039;s right. I forgot that all the plugins were on SVN. Once again WordPress makes things infinitely simple :)

By the way, here is an example of what I had in mind for showing the whole page structure. The interface needs to be a LOT better, but the general idea is what I&#039;m aiming for.

http://www.swartzfager.org/blog/dspNestedList.cfm
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah that&#8217;s right. I forgot that all the plugins were on SVN. Once again WordPress makes things infinitely simple <img src='http://www.itsananderson.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>By the way, here is an example of what I had in mind for showing the whole page structure. The interface needs to be a LOT better, but the general idea is what I&#8217;m aiming for.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.swartzfager.org/blog/dspNestedList.cfm" rel="nofollow">http://www.swartzfager.org/blog/dspNestedList.cfm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Nick Ohrn</title>
		<link>http://www.itsananderson.com/2008/12/plugin-review-my-page-order/#comment-71</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Ohrn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 01:41:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, just do an SVN checkout, make the changes, and then do a diff and submit to the project owner.  If he likes your changes, he might just make you a committer on the plugin.  I&#039;ve done that before with people and their plugins.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, just do an SVN checkout, make the changes, and then do a diff and submit to the project owner.  If he likes your changes, he might just make you a committer on the plugin.  I&#8217;ve done that before with people and their plugins.</p>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
		<link>http://www.itsananderson.com/2008/12/plugin-review-my-page-order/#comment-69</link>
		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 19:44:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I think I now agree that it&#039;s a feature, but I still think it should still allow you to hide drafts temporarily.

I don&#039;t really want to branch the project since it&#039;s still active, but perhaps I could work in the changes and submit them to the author. If he&#039;s not willing incorporate the changes, then I might branch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I think I now agree that it&#8217;s a feature, but I still think it should still allow you to hide drafts temporarily.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t really want to branch the project since it&#8217;s still active, but perhaps I could work in the changes and submit them to the author. If he&#8217;s not willing incorporate the changes, then I might branch.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Ohrn</title>
		<link>http://www.itsananderson.com/2008/12/plugin-review-my-page-order/#comment-68</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Ohrn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:32:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d say the fact that unpublished pages show is a feature, not a bug.  It makes sense to be able to order pages before they are published.  

I agree that you should be able to move children between parents, but that would be a little more difficult to do, I would think.  The best thing about this, though, is that you can modify it and release the result (the wonders of the GPL).  I encourage you to take a stab and do it.  All you need to do is add a little bit of JavaScript and make page parent changes wherever page order is being modified.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d say the fact that unpublished pages show is a feature, not a bug.  It makes sense to be able to order pages before they are published.  </p>
<p>I agree that you should be able to move children between parents, but that would be a little more difficult to do, I would think.  The best thing about this, though, is that you can modify it and release the result (the wonders of the GPL).  I encourage you to take a stab and do it.  All you need to do is add a little bit of JavaScript and make page parent changes wherever page order is being modified.</p>
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